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Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.12 13:15:00 - [1] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 12/12/2010 13:16:30 Originally by: Arx Eladios These bots are very advanced too. They no longer work by grabbing the screen, but accessing the internal application calls via Windows API. In simple terms it hacks the client. Thus removing local will not do anything since the bot software will still pick-up the server message that someone entered and will safe up/cloak/log off. This tempering is not new: Every competitive online game gets hacked like that. Why would the server send such a message to the client if the client didn't need to know at that point. I can't see any reason for sending that information other then so the client knows to update the local with the information. If no local then no reason to send that information and so no advance warning for the bot. Since that article was written by a obvious bot enthusiast it seems to me more like a slight of hand trick to get people off the idea that local removal would hurt bots. Which is most certainly would (unless theres a reason the server would send that information to the client which I doubt) --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.12 13:27:00 - [2] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 12/12/2010 13:29:06 Originally by: Enarem Kador Stop throwing bones to people, CCP. We are not dogs. Fix the damn problem for good, properly. Um yeah. Bots and macros are a scourge for all mmo's and they are not easily defeated or cured. They're like the aids virus, they adapt as fast as you can think of a cure. There is no simple fix, many have tried and most have failed miserably, all have failed to some extent. If you found a failsafe way to remove all automation, they would still do it, but they'd be online farmers instead. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.13 04:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Arx Eladios Originally by: Infinity Ziona Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 12/12/2010 13:17:29 Originally by: Arx Eladios These bots are very advanced too. They no longer work by grabbing the screen, but accessing the internal application calls via Windows API. In simple terms it hacks the client. Thus removing local will not do anything since the bot software will still pick-up the server message that someone entered and will safe up/cloak/log off. This tempering is not new: Every competitive online game gets hacked like that. Why would the server send such a message to the client if the client didn't need to know at that point. I can't see any reason for sending that information other then so the client knows to update the local with the information. If no local then no reason to send that information and so no advance warning for the bot. There is more information needed than whether to add the person to local. For example the gate needs to light up, their ship must appear on directional scanner and so on. Sure you could write extra code that says "If this person is not on the gate, don't bother sending message" but this just doesn't scale. Imagine 800 people fleet sitting on the gate and the server having to check the location of each. Like it or not, but every client needs to know whether someone enters the system regardless how it uses this information. I doubt they would have coded it like this. Everything probably happens on the server with only required information sent to a client if that client is in range. Why would a server send a gate message to your client if your nowhere near a gate. It probably works something like this. A person activates the gate on their client, server transfers them to the new system. The server then checks for pilots on grid or in range of the gate. The server then sends a message to each client telling it to activate the gate graphic and sounds etc. Same for scanners. Clicking scan most probably sends a query to the server saying "is there anything x distance from my coordinates on the server. The server then probably checks and then sends back any data on objects that it finds on the server which matches your coordinates + range of the scan. I find it unlikely that the server would waste resources updating your client with information that is not pertinent to the client at that point in time. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.13 13:10:00 - [4] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 13/12/2010 13:11:47 Computers are extremely good at puzzles and math. Anything that you can think of that's sent to the client like a math quiz will be picked up and solved much faster by the bot then it would by the human. Computers are rather stupid at holistic thinking. Humans are rather good at it. Creating a situation where a bot is required to feel its way through an encounter based on prior experience and learning will be harder to crack for the bot makers then what we currently have which is npc's doing identical and predictable things which are easily handled. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.14 11:50:00 - [5] Originally by: Target Painter Originally by: Tyrrant I said it before and I will say it again. If we want to remove all the botters all we have to do is remove the local in 0.0 and make it delayed mode. This will do a couple things. It will make scouts actually useful and people wont rely on that damn local count. It will also make every single 0.0 botter die in a fire to stealth bombers + recons. Lastly, it will boost black ops and covert bridges. They mostly use Drakes, Tengus and Ravens that remain aligned 99% of the time. You appear in local, on D-scan or on-grid and they instantly warp. There is a fairl eloquent setup they use for safe mining where there will be a system at the end of a "chain" of two jump systems. There will be a scout bot, or several, acting as kind of an intel network players use. You pop into the bottom of the chain, they align, you hit halfway up the pipe, they warp. It's incredibly frustrating. Stealth bombers. Or afk cloaking after finishing playing eve. Two very good counters. One kills them the other makes them useless. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.15 03:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Target Painter Originally by: Infinity Ziona Stealth bombers. Or afk cloaking after finishing playing eve. Two very good counters. One kills them the other makes them useless. Regarding stealth bombers, there was a period of time when their local monitoring capability stopped working. The ratting bots still could monitor d-scan and their overview however. The instant you would decloak, they would warp, since they spend all their time aligned out. There may be some technique around it, but I never figured out because within a few days they were back to watching local. The most effective way of catching them is a combination of anchored bubbles and logoffskis, but then you figure you're spending 30 minutes to 2 hours to kill a single T2 fit Raven or Drake (the Tengus are nullified). That's just a little bit more work I feel like putting into my gametime. I don't see how they could react that fast. A stealth bomber can lock instantly, it doesn't show up on d-scan. I would think due to latency, by the time the client on their end registers the bomber even decloaked they're already scrambled. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.15 07:52:00 - [7] Originally by: Elzon1 Originally by: Kewso I enjoy my macros, couple years ago after using a Nostromo N52 only way I'll ever play most games now is with macros. Automation is nice, can sit back and remove annoying keystrokes and helps release stress on wrists and such. snip What changes to game mechanics do you think would make it harder for a macro program to automate gameplay (less bots per computer)? I posted something in a thread on bots in ideas discussion. Basically you need to remove repetitive static game play, remove easily recognizable names and tags and recognizable commands. Humans can easily distinguish between an unnamed asteroid of a vaguely different shape and size but a bot has trouble. Humans can learn and adapt to a npc ai that doesn't repeatedly behave in the same manner, a bot cannot learn. A human can easily learn to probe out an asteroid field while a bot benefits more from static asteroids. A human warping into a dynamically changing worlds collide mission can easily figure out how to get to the next stage, even if they have to visually find the the gate and navigate to it manually, rather then right click and approach gate. A bot cannot reason, its as likely to approach a gate that does nothing but send it out of the deadspace area as it is to approach the gate that takes it further in, if the reasoning to work out which gate is even slightly abstract. Get my drift? --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.22 11:58:00 - [8] Originally by: Superpossee Posting to prevent the thread from being ignored. New potential players reading this should know that eve has a cheating-problem Not only a cheating problem, but a cheating problem the dev's simply ignore, even when presented with incontestable proof: Quote: Guy #1: http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter1.jpg http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter2.jpg http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter3.jpg http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter4.jpg Guy #2: http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/20091102231706.jpg Guy #3: http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/frm00524.JPG Can't check right now but this evidence, along with the forums where these were posted, was given to CCP a few weeks ago, whats the bet they're still botting in game today? --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.23 02:13:00 - [9] Originally by: RedShadow Edited by: RedShadow on 22/12/2010 23:27:22 Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: Superpossee Posting to prevent the thread from being ignored. New potential players reading this should know that eve has a cheating-problem Not only a cheating problem, but a cheating problem the dev's simply ignore, even when presented with incontestable proof: Quote: Guy #1: http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter1.jpg http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter2.jpg http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter3.jpg http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/botter4.jpg Guy #2: http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/20091102231706.jpg Guy #3: http://www.randomhost.org/botterimgs/frm00524.JPG Can't check right now but this evidence, along with the forums where these were posted, was given to CCP a few weeks ago, whats the bet they're still botting in game today? We received word of these screenies and since evoke doesn't support any botters, the regarding member is being kicked from the corp. Good to see you guys stepping up. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.25 01:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Dienowthxbay Playing since 2004, i saw a lot, this will probably kill not eve but playerbase :( Take a look and u will feel being idiots playing RMT + CCP both making money... Eve-news info 1 info 2 If people are making 400bil a month like the guy claims in the first link then any sort of economic warfare becomes redundant and the game is simply broken for anyone playing alliances the way it was intended. Certainly hope that's not true. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.

Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.30 04:21:00 - [11] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 30/12/2010 04:21:43 Originally by: riverini You obviously haven't been never in 0.0 or just not long enough, Morale and decent FC's are the oxygen of any respectable 0.0 entity, just take a look at the mid year KSC invasion, H-W changed everything, not because of the ship lost there, but because of the morale blow it dealt to all it's pilots German Giggles riverini Doesn't matter if you have the best FC's and the greatest pvp'rs in the world. When a single guy can farm 400 billion isk per month, enough to fund 20 super-carriers, you cannot win. By the time you manage to blow up all his 20 super carriers, lets say that takes 3 months he now has 60 more. Meanwhile his super carriers have managed to kill half of your total assets. How are you going to continue without botting yourself? Morale wise who is winning? --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2010.12.30 05:37:00 - [12] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 30/12/2010 05:38:04 Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Infinity Ziona By the time you manage to blow up all his 20 super carriers, lets say that takes 3 months he now has 60 more. Meanwhile his super carriers have managed to kill half of your total assets. How are you going to continue without botting yourself? One option is to stake out the systems suspected of harbouring botters. Do so in cloaky ships equipped with cynos. The bots will warp to a safespot and cloak. The catch is that this does require dedicating one account to being unproductive 24x7. Ironically that was the goal of my current corporation. To recruit alts who would log on a covert ops character in a bot ratting system when they logged off to go work, sleep, rl stuff. Unfortunately it was torpedoed by CCP's new netcode that no longer allows me to play without constantly disconnecting. Hopefully someone will pick up this idea and run with it till CCP fixes their netcode. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.01.21 14:56:00 - [13] If you want to make a difference this is what you need to do: 1. Create an alt character. 2. Train him/her up to be able to use the lowest skilled cloaking device. 3. Use one of the resources available to you (web, word of mouth) which shows systems with unusual numbers of NPC kills. 4. Move your character to that system. 5. When you go to sleep / work etc, log him/her in to afk cloak in that system. The bots rely on code which effectively disables them from botting when a nuetral is in system. Your afker character will be a nuetral and will stop the bot from farming. The only fix for the bot will be to flag your neutral character as a blue character making it vulnerable to attack by you. Win for us / loss for bots. Best thing about this tactic, you lose nothing, bot loses everything. --------------------------------------------- Hate Bots / RMT? Do something worthwhile and good for EvE and cause tears and anguish for others, while doing absolutely nothing yourself! Join up.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.01.26 12:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Aquila Draco Originally by: rock crawlermne Edited by: rock crawlermne on 26/01/2011 00:33:58 I'm sure ccp will eventually see this thread bump it up!!! EDIT: almost 50 thousand views....thats more then most stickies!!! CCP, assuming that's 50k different people...each paying 15 bucks a month...you have 3/4 of a MILLION US dollers in profit yelling out...please at least comment on this. I am afraid that this thread is on CCPs ignore list... :( Nah. I'm sure they're keeping an eye on it... its just every time someone enters the thread they cloak or log off. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.01.28 14:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Jack Gilligan Looking at some of the whines going on in other parts of this and other forums (by known botters), might not incursions be used as a weapon to make RMT botting untenable? No not really. Bots will adapt. Most likely they will simply dock, cloak, log if incursion is going on until their owner can move them somewhere else. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.01.29 15:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Tom Gerard If nobody will enforce the law then is it really still a law? Acording to my minmatar friend, who is a worthless scrapheap of human genetic garbage, like all their kind, CCP has no grounds to punish anyone legally for botting. Legally as in using the legal system? No they don't. Legally as in using the EULA, yeah they do. Legally as in making up the rules for their game and informing their users of those rules and then punishing them for not following those rules, yeah they do. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.02.01 14:04:00 - [17] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 01/02/2011 14:06:09 Originally by: Eden Love Originally by: Musashi IV Just by changing one menu item you knocked out a lot of macro users. If you randomized every menu everytime its opened you will kill all macros. +1 This bot problem schould be attacked by honest player base much more. A thread wont make it at all. How about a 1 day protest which could be expanded to 1 month without sub? How about mass petition CCP? Above idea would be a big time success against botters! What did CCP do against botters? Have they any idea? If you really want to do something to stop bots. Then do what I suggested in an earlier post. Create an alt, train it to use a basic cloak. Take it out in a frig to 0.0 (start in the drone regions)in a known botting system and then when you log off, go to work, sleep, load that afk guy and afk cloak in that system. This will completely remove the ability of all bots in that system from botting because the bots auto-dock / cloak if a nuetral is in their system. If enough people do this it will substantially reduce profits for the bots and it costs you virtually nothing. What would be useful is starting up a bot-intel channel for everyone who afk cloaks so that you can find / coordinate your afking against bots. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.03 08:52:00 - [18] Would it be possible to use a blizzard style authenticator device to not only secure accounts but also to secure the client - prevent it from being hacked? --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.04 03:35:00 - [19] Originally by: Sito Jaxa With all this anti-botting talk I must say I'm worried that CCP will make a knee-jerk reaction that will ultimately give rise to tremendous RMT pressures in the game. From a player perspective te RMT issue is not as important as te non RMT bot issue. The non RMT botters are the ones botting to gain a huge advantage over other players in terms of funding alliances, spamming capitals and beating those who dont bot. Sure alliances can buy isk for real life cash from RMTs however they can do that legally anyway and it costs real life cash. The real problem is people farming for themselves at no cost, to gain decisive advantages over other eve players. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.04 23:11:00 - [20] Originally by: Xelena Shellar Originally by: Arnakoz Originally by: G 0 D I am very serious. I don't understand why someone botting is any different than someone buying isk from CCP. Both completely kill the competetive aspect of the game. my question: how is people having more money a more unfair advantage than people having more time to play? The real question here is 'Who ever told all these people that EVE was fair?" EVE is by design the most terribly unfair MMO out there, it is part of its charm :P This is such a stupid argument. EvE is fair. It always has been fair. Fair means everyone has the same chance. What you are talking about is its harshness. Theres nothing in EvE that you cannot avoid using ingame mechanics except RMT and botting. Botting is unfair because its outside the rules of the game, which you agree to abide by when you sign up. Its something that you cannot avoid or counter unless you yourself break the rules of the game and bot. To say that botting is okay because EvE is a harsh game is garbage. Botting takes the harshness of EvE and throws it in the toilet. With the ISK stream from botting behind you you are simply playing a respawn reship game without harshness or penalty. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.

Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.06 04:09:00 - [21] ^ Botters getting worried? --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.06 04:30:00 - [22] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 06/03/2011 04:32:22 Originally by: Ozwald Rens I think you are missing one easy angle to detect botting: instead of checking for the actual bot programme running, you can simply check for bot-like behaviour (online 23/7, always warps out when somebody jumps into system, etc) - sure, this could in principle affect a "real person", in that case, i'm sure a manual check up will resolve the issue. Plus, CCP could always implement a system that asks a player to enter a captcha if they are to bot-like for a prolonged period of time. (this by the way, has been done successfully in online poker as well) This is true. It would be interesting to get some data (which CCP must have) that shows isk generation and time online, in a graph for botters and non-botters over 24, 7 day and 30 day periods. I'm sure there would be distinct differences. And preemptively using that information would net you a lot of potential bots to ban. By preemptively I mean thinking of ways to detect bots, without a fanfest exposing all your intentions and tactics and mass banning a whole bunch at once before they adapt. Then rinse and repeat. The war on bots / RMT is like a mini-version of the war on drugs. Theres no silver bullet, it will take a permanant and skillful team of CCP employee's to control it. If you killed every single method of botting in game you would still have farmers, real humans in developing countries, renting and farming in person, to raise funds for RMT. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.07 06:41:00 - [23] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 07/03/2011 06:41:44 Originally by: Minarete Are you nuts? I run 4 Hulks, an Orca, and a Mammoth hauler all being run by ONE person, ME. And... this all goes out through a single IP address on my DSL router. I was Mining Saturday like this, so that makes me a Bot? ^^ Good reason to remove plex, apart from funding bots it funds stupidity like the above. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.08 00:37:00 - [24] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 08/03/2011 00:38:47 Originally by: Minarete Originally by: Infinity Ziona Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 07/03/2011 06:41:44 Originally by: Minarete Are you nuts? I run 4 Hulks, an Orca, and a Mammoth hauler all being run by ONE person, ME. And... this all goes out through a single IP address on my DSL router. I was Mining Saturday like this, so that makes me a Bot? ^^ Good reason to remove plex, apart from funding bots it funds stupidity like the above. What exactly, does Plex have to do with the fact that I manually run 3 computers using 6 accounts? you make no sense at all. I pay for all of my accounts with PayPal, a small drop in the bucket each month, I know people that drink more than that in a single night! And tell me, what about what I do is stupid? the fact that you dont like to do what I do? /shrug, I dont get it. Well either you spend 89.00 per month, a little over $1000 per year. If you earned 100,000 per year thats 1% of your entire income, on a computer game which is definitely stupid or you use plex to fund the accounts. If you use plex to fund the accounts then it enables you to earn a huge amounts of isk vs someone who doesn't use plex which for those people is very bad. They have less money and prices are higher, thanks to you and your metagaming. Either your stupid (for wasting your money) or plex is stupid (for enabling stupid modes of play). --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.13 12:47:00 - [25] Originally by: Aquila Draco Massively article - EVE ISK buyers outed in database leak http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/03/10/eve-isk-buyers-outed-in-database-leak/# Slashdot article - In Isk We Trust: the EVE Online IskBank Exposed http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/03/10/1712207/In-Isk-We-Trust-the-EVE-Online-IskBank-Exposed mmorpg.com article - EVE Online News - Iskbank.com Exposed http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/loadNews/19890/Iskbankcom-Exposed TenTonHammer article - EVENews24 Exposes Iskbank Scandal, Thousands of Customers Outed http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/96325 Heh 4 major games sites reporting on RMT, Botting and EvE. Can't be good for CCP's reputation. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.14 02:51:00 - [26] Originally by: dexington Originally by: Infinity Ziona Heh 4 major games sites reporting on RMT, Botting and EvE. Can't be good for CCP's reputation. It gives them a bad reputation compared to what games?, most/all of the major mmo's have bot/RMT problems. Blizzzard spend most of the last expansion trying to fight hackers stealing gold from players and guilds, i've not played aion online but from what i've heard they also have huge problems with bots. It did'nt get publicity because it's a unique problem that only exists in eve, the incident got publicity because it's probably the first time a RMT site was hacked and the customer database leaked on the internet. It gives them a bad reputation because when people read those articles, they get linked to other articles, or are made aware of, the apathy and neglect that CCP has towards RMT and botters. CCP is rather unique in that they have painted themselves into a corner, where legal isk for cash, legal character transfers and illegal RMT and botting are all working together to prop up CCP. Where other games companies are actively working against RMT and botters, CCP is actively working with RMT and botters, even if its not an intentional thing, it is what it is. And lastly, any press is bad press, its highly likely that a person who is not a cheat, reading the article on EvE on those 4 sites, will decide against signing up, simply because they will have the impression that the game will be too hard without forking out rl cash or because they dislike cheating in games. So once again, yes, Bad Press for CCP. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.16 04:41:00 - [27] Originally by: ArtieLange Did that AFK cloaking alliance ever kick off? I've got an alt I will never use for anything productive that's now in a cov-ops. I might be tempted to sit griefing people all day. Nah. CCP made some changes to the netcode that means I can no longer play EvE at Australian prime time. So I cancelled the AFK cloaker thing till they fix it, which will be never apparently. Hoping that somebody that can actually play will pick it up and do it though. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.18 06:05:00 - [28] Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: ArtieLange Did that AFK cloaking alliance ever kick off? I've got an alt I will never use for anything productive that's now in a cov-ops. I might be tempted to sit griefing people all day. Nah. CCP made some changes to the netcode that means I can no longer play EvE at Australian prime time. So I cancelled the AFK cloaker thing till they fix it, which will be never apparently. Hoping that somebody that can actually play will pick it up and do it though. I'm very curious about what you're referring to here. If your ISP is filtering you it's the fault of bad signatures on the ISPs side. We can't stop developing EVE on the off chance IDS vendors will mislabel us as something we aren't. I'm happy to work with the ISP to try to get the vendor to update whatever product it is they're running, but in the absence of information about said product there's not a whole lot we can do. Either Optus Internet or Tata communications is flagging EvE data as p2p. Been happening for the last 4 months. This is in my opinion the direct result of the bitcode change and not because Optus or Tata is flagging traffic since they have been packet shaping for years with the old code and the issue never presented until CCP made its recent changes. While we can point fingers and pass blame on whose fault it is, the end result is CCP have millions of potential customers who are unable to log into EvE at their prime time because of it. Im a little surprised you don't know about this since I've made numerous threads and complaints on the issues forum and there have been multiple threads running consistently since the problem appeared. Unfortunately its not a simple matter to change providers in Australia since were locked into contracts that are quite expensive to get out of. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.19 09:49:00 - [29] Originally by: sableye complain to your isp not to eve they don't control your connection No they don't control the connection but they control the bitcode that is being flagged. Like I said before, this happened when CCP changed the bitcode not because all of a sudden ISP's started shaping traffic in peak times. Its sortof like making me dress up as a bear on a hunting reserve and then going, well yeah people are taking potshots at you but its not our bear suit, its the hunters with guns... --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Infinity Ziona Minmatar Cloakers	Posted - 2011.03.21 11:35:00 - [30] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 21/03/2011 11:36:24 Originally by: Kuronaga Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: sableye complain to your isp not to eve they don't control your connection No they don't control the connection but they control the bitcode that is being flagged. Like I said before, this happened when CCP changed the bitcode not because all of a sudden ISP's started shaping traffic in peak times. Its sortof like making me dress up as a bear on a hunting reserve and then going, well yeah people are taking potshots at you but its not our bear suit, its the hunters with guns... Perhaps its your fault for being in the bear suit, and doing nothing to get out of it. You should have known something was up when they asked you to dress as a bear. bearsuit is the bitcode lookin like p2p traffic. hunters are the traffic shapers lookin for p2p traffic. they never asked, they changed it without consultation or thinking. --------------------------------------------- I AM BETTER THAN YOU.

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